Fourteenth Meeting

Fourteenth Meeting January 3rd 1871

Some new faces at this first meeting of 1871 at Carey's house, namely W.R.Jekyll, a chemist in Gaskell, Deacon’s and Sydney Muspratt, the brother of James Liebig Muspratt). It seems that Sydney Muspratt employed two pseudonyms, "Sans changer" and "I bide my time". Jekyll was "Nescio quid".

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Meeting at Mr Carey’s house.

January 3rd 1871

Present. Messrs. Carey (Paulatim), (H.)Brunner (Nemo), Mond (Unversagt), Watts (Palmam qui meruit ferat), (J.L.)Muspratt (Erin go bragh), Jekyll (Nescio quid), S. Muspratt (Sans changer).



Words. Honour, Vulgarity, [Cant?], [xx].

Honour is the standard by which men measure
their actions toward one another. Nemo
Honour is a tacitly accepted code of laws, adopted
by the majority, and assumed to be based on
morality, which regulate the conduct of individuals
towards one another. Palmam qui
Honour is a sentiment which takes the force of
law among a community.
Erin go Bragh
Honour is a sense of duty arising from [every day??]
social conventions.
Honour among thieves. (Nescio quid)
Honour is the individual’s standard of self respect.
Unversagt
Honour is the expression of virtue
I bide my time
Honour is the [reputation] of the virtuous.
Paulatim
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Vote taken that Honour is a real attribute & not
[a] [reputation] [xxxxx]
Ayes. Erin go Bragh
Honour among thieves (changed to Nescio quid)
Palmam qui meruit ferat
Unversagt
Nemo
No. I bide my time
Paulatim
Definition proposed.
Honour is the source of what self-respect demands
based upon largely social conventions.
Agreed unanimously.

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Vulgarity
Vulgarity is that which in action or language
is repulsive to the educated mind.
Erin go Bragh
Vulgarity is the striving to seem rather than to
be. Paulatim
Vulgarity is the illustration of [vulgarity?]
I bide my time
Vulgarity is failing to conform to the [standards]-

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-of the majority. Palmam qui meruit ferat
Vulgarity is [non]conformity with the habits &
manners of society to the inconvenience & dis-
-comfort of others. Honour among thieves
Vulgarity is what is abhorrent to the taste of
educated men Unversagt
Vulgarity is that in manners or language
which offends against good taste(s).
Nemo

Definitions proposed.
Vulgarity is that which is offensive to good
taste. Agreed to by Palmam qui meruit ferat
Nemo
I bide my time
Unversagt
Vulgarity is that which in action or language
is repulsive to the educated mind.
Erin go Bragh
Honour among thieves (Nescio quid)
Vulgarity is the striving to [second rate? xx to be]
Paulatim

Mr Raven was proposed as a member of the
“Qu’est-ce que c’est” & accepted unanimously.


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